He has earned black belts in four martial arts and is a certified Krav Maga instructor. When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. Which, of course, is why its better to keep your self-defense gun be it a concealed carry pistol or home defense gun or whatever with a round in the chamber. Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. I notice that you had to go look it up though. We are compensated for referring traffic and business to Amazon and other companies linked to on this site. Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. Training is nothing more than repetition. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. Didnt check that the gun was clear. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. Nobody whos ever advocated carrying with an empty chamber has ever explained how they were going to fight off two assailants AND chamber a round at the same time. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. All I get is replies that they are working on it. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. It has been many years since I saw that movie. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. I also felt the same way. Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? i doubt that israelis whose primary weapon is a pistol actually use israeli carry. They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. It is also popular for law enforcement and for use as a backup weapon. When the time comes that you actually need your carry weapon things are going to happen really fast. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. . If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. Who honestly gives a F*ck what someone else chooses to do. How often do you train your driving abilities? Kaboom he shot himself as he sat there at the dinner table. Despite its . Good username though. Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/ Glockster20. Have you ever negligently turned down the wrong way of a one way street? you would do well to keep in mind that some people dont carry with a round in the chamber not because theyre so afraid or lack of training but because simply of where they live and the laws that exist there if they did they would be constantly administratively chambering and unchambering a round throughout their day while doing so in their vehicle One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. Congratulations. That chit will get you *illed in a real shtf. This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. Each new design improved the handgun and its features. Not an appreciable amount of time. But carry the way you feel comfortable. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. If one wishes to carry sans a round in the chamber. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. In fact, it uses S&W Shield Plus magazines. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. Fat troll. The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. Glock firearms Instructor. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. you roll the dice. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. It worked before. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. Am I being silly? Carry your GLOCK pistol chambered without worry, the same as every other modern striker fired pistol on the market. says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. I've carried both extensively. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). The Glock Model 48 slimline 9mm is a state-of-the-art fighting pistol with a small grip frame any cop can master. But Knute is fine, and nobody else seems to want it. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway Guns in my bigger safe are in condition 3 (AR rifles and defensive shotguns), except for my SAA revolvers are empty as I dont consider them as a defensive weapon (my hunting rifles and shotguns are empty too), mainly because both have 8 1/2 barrels and were used for silhouette shooting when I was younger. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have become very popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. I recommend RTS Tactical for reliable, rifle-stopping options, Youre worth it. True dat. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? He thinks. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. Big Bill: Yup. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. There is at least one fully loaded firearm in every room of my house and my shop. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? Hm. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. Absolutely YES!! But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-box-4','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-box-4-0');Some people are nervous about Glocks because they heard one rumor or another about them. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do. Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. (just like some people freakout about a cocked and locked 1911) Rest assured the gun will not go off and shoot you in the ass. Lets face cold hard facts the more chances you take the more likely you will run out of luck, usually much sooner than later. . On paper? And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. I feel its foolish but its my thought. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. Glocks have a feature that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pulled, blocks the firing pin until the trigger is fully pressed, and the pistol is not actually cocked until the trigger is puled. For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. Thats when I started looking for a better way. The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. The fix was to add a safety. No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. If you can have a momentary lapse of judgement handling a half million ft/lbs you could certainly have one while handling 350. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. We can talk about the merits of being able to shoot effectivly one handed. Almost always comes back to the trigger. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. Heres a link to it. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? Victoria: I did find a workaround though. Keep your chin up, youll get it eventually. Save Share. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. I have done special work to lighten my trigger and its still not very touchy. In meantime, happy to train Israeli carry and take the tragedy buffer. 1. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. Kentucky CCDW Instructor. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. its full screen with proper sound and everything. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. Discharge during take down? My home defense guns are locked and loaded ready to go. JavaScript is disabled. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. The S&W EZ has a grip safety and a good trigger pull. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. Glock 23 Handgun. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. So were really talking only about safe carry and capacity, as the first shot fired will be from the NEXT chamber. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. You should always carry with a round chambered. Not a hard and fast rule. Still disagree? In practice? People who dont carry with a round in the chamber have no training. Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. * I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. All it takes is knowing what the word; inertia means. without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat If you liked this article, you might be interested in one I wrote all about Glocks Safe Action System. What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. Perhaps you could write one yourself even. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. Now try looking up punctuation. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. Jul 18, 2010. This is the inherit design of a sticker fired pistol. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. Does the Glock fire then? Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. I carry a single action 1911. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. Width: 1.18. No thanks. . What you are overlooking is the odds. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. I have been a revolver guy my whole life, and just switched to a Glock 19 after getting two days of excellent training and realizing I could shoot the Glock better (to say nothing of more copiously) than my old Detective Special. I really, really wish the powers that be could find someone to get this comment section to work right. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. Thats OK with me. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. Carry chambered ever since. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. Come on, Gov, you know better than that. And therefore only idiots use it. Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. Especially in a stressful situation. I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. The Glock 19 pistol was initially produced in 1988. However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. One in the chamber is NOT ALWAYS the best option. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. Let the flaming begin, No flame. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? These are: 1. Not only that, but the holster allows you to "re-holster" off body which also greatly reduces the odds of clothing or something getting caught in the trigger guard. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. But, some want only one item to cover every base. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. Good luck!!!!! Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. And being that I am a Veteran the simple act of 1 second as I draw is a negligible amount of time just like the BS of you can only have a 10 round magazine but you can carry as many magazines as you like try it one day drop a mag change it takes less than 3 seconds. That may be true but it is also irrelevant, since the *actual* cause of the negligent discharge is*negligence. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? It should stay the way it is. Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. But if the gun has to be pointing at the ground for the problem to occur, then how big a problem can it be? Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. And, sorry youre a confused fool. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. While numbers vary, reacting to something - anything - takes a .
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